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		<title>By: Desirée</title>
		<link>http://kidminandculture.wordpress.com/2008/09/03/christians-rule/#comment-105</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 08:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, I kind of have to agree with Keith. It&#039;s something I&#039;m being convicted of right now. God is helping me take away my own arrogant attitudes. Those other people may be wrong, but I&#039;m wrong in the way of my attitudes.

I get what your trying to say though.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I kind of have to agree with Keith. It&#8217;s something I&#8217;m being convicted of right now. God is helping me take away my own arrogant attitudes. Those other people may be wrong, but I&#8217;m wrong in the way of my attitudes.</p>
<p>I get what your trying to say though.</p>
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		<title>By: henryjz</title>
		<link>http://kidminandculture.wordpress.com/2008/09/03/christians-rule/#comment-102</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 03:27:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Keith,

I do have to admit that this post is me on a soapbox. I wasn&#039;t so much indicting people like Miley Cyrus for thanking Jesus as the response that so many of us in evangelical Christianity have towards those proclamations. We quickly make these people &quot;Christian Celebrities&quot; and then ostracize them when they are human and make a mistake.

I think that kids need to have solid Biblical teaching and foundations. They also need to be taught to be open in talking about their faith. My problem is that many times that gets translated into sharing faith in very inauthentic ways; we are more worried about getting the words, &quot;Jesus Love You&quot; out and not worry about how they are loving those around them as God does.

Thanks for your thoughts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keith,</p>
<p>I do have to admit that this post is me on a soapbox. I wasn&#8217;t so much indicting people like Miley Cyrus for thanking Jesus as the response that so many of us in evangelical Christianity have towards those proclamations. We quickly make these people &#8220;Christian Celebrities&#8221; and then ostracize them when they are human and make a mistake.</p>
<p>I think that kids need to have solid Biblical teaching and foundations. They also need to be taught to be open in talking about their faith. My problem is that many times that gets translated into sharing faith in very inauthentic ways; we are more worried about getting the words, &#8220;Jesus Love You&#8221; out and not worry about how they are loving those around them as God does.</p>
<p>Thanks for your thoughts.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Johnson</title>
		<link>http://kidminandculture.wordpress.com/2008/09/03/christians-rule/#comment-104</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 00:08:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just read this online at www.theatlantic.com which I think is germain on one level with overt symbols:

&quot;The metropolitan liberal, in my experience, regards overt religious identity as vulgar, and evangelical Christianity as an infallible marker of mental retardation. Flag-waving patriotism is seen as a joke and an embarrassment.”

(from &quot;Democrats must learn some respect&quot; by Clive Crook at http://clivecrook.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/09/democrats_must_learn_some_resp.php )

He makes a great point that upon a soapbox (and I often couch myself upon that wooden throne) we often slide into disdain and contempt, class sneer (Bill Maher).

In my own rhetorical flourishes I have a whisper in my brain that calmly reminds me, &quot;I have made the foolish things of this world...&quot; and I choke on my own hubris, alighting for the sidelines while proning my knees to the servanthood I staunchly strive for.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just read this online at <a href="http://www.theatlantic.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.theatlantic.com</a> which I think is germain on one level with overt symbols:</p>
<p>&#8220;The metropolitan liberal, in my experience, regards overt religious identity as vulgar, and evangelical Christianity as an infallible marker of mental retardation. Flag-waving patriotism is seen as a joke and an embarrassment.”</p>
<p>(from &#8220;Democrats must learn some respect&#8221; by Clive Crook at <a href="http://clivecrook.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/09/democrats_must_learn_some_resp.php" rel="nofollow">http://clivecrook.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/09/democrats_must_learn_some_resp.php</a> )</p>
<p>He makes a great point that upon a soapbox (and I often couch myself upon that wooden throne) we often slide into disdain and contempt, class sneer (Bill Maher).</p>
<p>In my own rhetorical flourishes I have a whisper in my brain that calmly reminds me, &#8220;I have made the foolish things of this world&#8230;&#8221; and I choke on my own hubris, alighting for the sidelines while proning my knees to the servanthood I staunchly strive for.</p>
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		<title>By: Desirée</title>
		<link>http://kidminandculture.wordpress.com/2008/09/03/christians-rule/#comment-103</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 21:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think one of the best ways to get rid of the negative parts of the subculture is to be proactive and positive for Jesus, even to those &quot;churchy&quot; people. You can get so wrapped up in being a &quot;churchy hater&quot; that you develop your own subculture. The churchy&quot; ones need to be given the benefit of the doubt too. They are still growing in their walk. I&#039;m finding that people who are Christians can be just as vulnerable as non-Christians when they feel like they are being judged. Though not my style, I don&#039;t think there is anything wrong with have WWJD stuff or any other stuff. And to Steve Tanner...Why would you dog on Bob and Larry? They&#039;re our friends! I personally love the silly songs and can&#039;t wait &#039;til my kids crank them up and go all out crazy on &#039;em! My daughter does a great hairbrush song.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think one of the best ways to get rid of the negative parts of the subculture is to be proactive and positive for Jesus, even to those &#8220;churchy&#8221; people. You can get so wrapped up in being a &#8220;churchy hater&#8221; that you develop your own subculture. The churchy&#8221; ones need to be given the benefit of the doubt too. They are still growing in their walk. I&#8217;m finding that people who are Christians can be just as vulnerable as non-Christians when they feel like they are being judged. Though not my style, I don&#8217;t think there is anything wrong with have WWJD stuff or any other stuff. And to Steve Tanner&#8230;Why would you dog on Bob and Larry? They&#8217;re our friends! I personally love the silly songs and can&#8217;t wait &#8217;til my kids crank them up and go all out crazy on &#8216;em! My daughter does a great hairbrush song.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Johnson</title>
		<link>http://kidminandculture.wordpress.com/2008/09/03/christians-rule/#comment-101</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 20:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You leave little room for ANY individual claim for their personal pride in their relationship with Jesus Christ. I realize that it might sound a bit awkward to hear someone thank their Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. It&#039;s can be a cliche. But you can&#039;t begrudge what Miley C. said because you don&#039;t know whether it is sincere or not. We might cringe when someone says this, but why do we? Is it because we have become innoculated from candor? Honesty? If she is sincere then I think what she said was who she is. There&#039;s something about &quot;proclaim me before man&quot; to induce God to &quot;proclaim you before the Father&quot; that makes me less inclined to abuse a speaker for a phrase. I&#039;d much prefere to wail on an idiot for hypocracy or sloppy words that clearly indicate the person is malevolent.

You have to admit that our faith is a &quot;stumbling block&quot; to those who are closely aligned with our beliefs and &quot;foolishness&quot; to those who are aghast at our &quot;clinging to religion&quot;! You prepare children for spiritual imbecility if you don&#039;t clearly guide them to understand that &quot;in this world they will have&quot; and often cause &quot;trouble.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You leave little room for ANY individual claim for their personal pride in their relationship with Jesus Christ. I realize that it might sound a bit awkward to hear someone thank their Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. It&#8217;s can be a cliche. But you can&#8217;t begrudge what Miley C. said because you don&#8217;t know whether it is sincere or not. We might cringe when someone says this, but why do we? Is it because we have become innoculated from candor? Honesty? If she is sincere then I think what she said was who she is. There&#8217;s something about &#8220;proclaim me before man&#8221; to induce God to &#8220;proclaim you before the Father&#8221; that makes me less inclined to abuse a speaker for a phrase. I&#8217;d much prefere to wail on an idiot for hypocracy or sloppy words that clearly indicate the person is malevolent.</p>
<p>You have to admit that our faith is a &#8220;stumbling block&#8221; to those who are closely aligned with our beliefs and &#8220;foolishness&#8221; to those who are aghast at our &#8220;clinging to religion&#8221;! You prepare children for spiritual imbecility if you don&#8217;t clearly guide them to understand that &#8220;in this world they will have&#8221; and often cause &#8220;trouble.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: henryjz</title>
		<link>http://kidminandculture.wordpress.com/2008/09/03/christians-rule/#comment-99</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 21:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My concern is the evangelical subculture that exists and the air of superiority and rules and regulations that people feel obligated to follow if they are to remain &quot;good Christians&quot; and how that gets perpetuated to the children we minister to.

As for the name of the blog... this blog exists mostly to discuss current and emerging trends that are affecting and shaping what children&#039;s ministry looks like.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My concern is the evangelical subculture that exists and the air of superiority and rules and regulations that people feel obligated to follow if they are to remain &#8220;good Christians&#8221; and how that gets perpetuated to the children we minister to.</p>
<p>As for the name of the blog&#8230; this blog exists mostly to discuss current and emerging trends that are affecting and shaping what children&#8217;s ministry looks like.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd McKeever</title>
		<link>http://kidminandculture.wordpress.com/2008/09/03/christians-rule/#comment-100</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Todd McKeever]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 14:49:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very good my friend. Again, good blog post.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good my friend. Again, good blog post.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd McKeever</title>
		<link>http://kidminandculture.wordpress.com/2008/09/03/christians-rule/#comment-98</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Todd McKeever]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 11:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with most of this, but I do wonder if you don&#039;t give God public appreciation (Like Montana example) or you don&#039;t recognize God publicly as you do great things, how should we introduce people to God and not just ourselves?

I personally do not wear Christians T&#039;s because I think most are extremely corny, I never did get into wearing the extremely expensive vacuum cleaner belt on my wrist to just have it say WWJD where only a few, those inside, would know what it stood for.

But I do agree and think we need to engage the culture we live in and find ways to give God the credit in a world that does great and kind things but without God. Maybe for some wearing these things and taking part in these things are their way of doing that and not because they are afraid of their community?

Why do you have the word &quot;Children&#039;s Ministry&quot; in the title of your blog? Is &quot;Ministry&quot; what the community will Google for if they want to find parenting help, leadership, self help etc.? Just asking my friend.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with most of this, but I do wonder if you don&#8217;t give God public appreciation (Like Montana example) or you don&#8217;t recognize God publicly as you do great things, how should we introduce people to God and not just ourselves?</p>
<p>I personally do not wear Christians T&#8217;s because I think most are extremely corny, I never did get into wearing the extremely expensive vacuum cleaner belt on my wrist to just have it say WWJD where only a few, those inside, would know what it stood for.</p>
<p>But I do agree and think we need to engage the culture we live in and find ways to give God the credit in a world that does great and kind things but without God. Maybe for some wearing these things and taking part in these things are their way of doing that and not because they are afraid of their community?</p>
<p>Why do you have the word &#8220;Children&#8217;s Ministry&#8221; in the title of your blog? Is &#8220;Ministry&#8221; what the community will Google for if they want to find parenting help, leadership, self help etc.? Just asking my friend.</p>
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		<title>By: Desirée</title>
		<link>http://kidminandculture.wordpress.com/2008/09/03/christians-rule/#comment-97</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Desirée]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 07:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, we definitely need to do both. I do think there is a tendency to lean to one or the other though. What I meant by my last statement was that we need to live out the great commission because of our love for people, and gratitude to Jesus.

That&#039;s how I dippity do it. Peace!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, we definitely need to do both. I do think there is a tendency to lean to one or the other though. What I meant by my last statement was that we need to live out the great commission because of our love for people, and gratitude to Jesus.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s how I dippity do it. Peace!</p>
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		<title>By: henryjz</title>
		<link>http://kidminandculture.wordpress.com/2008/09/03/christians-rule/#comment-95</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 20:38:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Desiree for your comments. I agree with what you are saying about knowing truth AND showing love. What I am saying is that I think sometimes we put so much emphasis on knowing truth and learning truth and do very little in acting out that truth in showing love to the people around us.

While my post does look at kids... I think it goes deeper than a &quot;kids are just kids&quot; thing. Like you said, kids are a product of their surroundings. I hear things like what was said on Kid Nation from teenagers at youth conventions and adults in everyday conversations. Yes, it is in many of our natures to assume that what we believe is the best... What I am advocating and challenging is that we ditch that superiority complex and the easy tendency to simply stay within the confines of our church club and interact with the world around us. And, yes, we need to do that in community... not as solitary wolves.

And also, yes there is Matthew 28:19-20 (called the Great Commission), but we can&#039;t just use that verse to sum up all that God calls us to do in this world. We also have to take into account verses like Matthew 25:31-40 which call us to social action and justice issues as well. We have to do both &quot;making disciples&quot; and &quot;doing unto the least of these.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Desiree for your comments. I agree with what you are saying about knowing truth AND showing love. What I am saying is that I think sometimes we put so much emphasis on knowing truth and learning truth and do very little in acting out that truth in showing love to the people around us.</p>
<p>While my post does look at kids&#8230; I think it goes deeper than a &#8220;kids are just kids&#8221; thing. Like you said, kids are a product of their surroundings. I hear things like what was said on Kid Nation from teenagers at youth conventions and adults in everyday conversations. Yes, it is in many of our natures to assume that what we believe is the best&#8230; What I am advocating and challenging is that we ditch that superiority complex and the easy tendency to simply stay within the confines of our church club and interact with the world around us. And, yes, we need to do that in community&#8230; not as solitary wolves.</p>
<p>And also, yes there is Matthew 28:19-20 (called the Great Commission), but we can&#8217;t just use that verse to sum up all that God calls us to do in this world. We also have to take into account verses like Matthew 25:31-40 which call us to social action and justice issues as well. We have to do both &#8220;making disciples&#8221; and &#8220;doing unto the least of these.&#8221;</p>
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